Timeline for Should we help those looking to avoid a block from a website?
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| Feb 8, 2018 at 2:47 | comment | added | user324747 | SE should support Hackintosh, it's standing up to Apple illegal EULA | |
| Feb 7, 2018 at 7:03 | history | edited | fixer1234 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 7, 2018 at 6:58 | history | edited | fixer1234 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 7, 2018 at 6:18 | comment | added | fixer1234 | @Bob, good link. It looks like it's generally not an issue to remove DRM for your own personal use on something you've paid for and own. | |
| Feb 7, 2018 at 6:00 | comment | added | Bob | Re: legalities in the general sense, I'd suggest looking at the DRM question | |
| Feb 5, 2018 at 18:58 | comment | added | fixer1234 | @djsmiley2k, white hat hackers don't release security flaw information into the wild immediately. They first release it to the people who need to fix it. Directly helping people with malicious intent (potentially other than the OP), could eventually help close a loophole, but there might be a high cost before then. It isn't just a morality issue, there's also a common sense element. Sometimes, closing a "loophole" isn't easy. For example, once someone posts detailed instructions on how to make a weapon of mass destruction, the information is out there. Preventing its use is nearly impossible. | |
| Feb 5, 2018 at 13:27 | comment | added | djsmiley2kStaysInside | By pointing out how to help a terrorist get a bomb on a plane, you've also pointed out a flaw in said existing security, and so helped close this loophole. | |
| Feb 4, 2018 at 22:48 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @fixer1234 I suspect it might have to do with the fact that the official Hiren's website does not contain any download link at all, it merely states what Hiren's Boot CD contains. There are however various third parties that distribute the disk. | |
| Feb 4, 2018 at 22:47 | comment | added | fixer1234 | @AndreaLazzarotto, I would think that if Microsoft considered it infringement, they could have shut Hiren down long ago. Is there any evidence that Microsoft has a problem with it? Any chance that people have simply assumed that an issue exists? | |
| Feb 4, 2018 at 19:05 | comment | added | Scott - Слава Україні | @AndreaLazzarotto: Well, I would argue that, no, it is not sufficient to say that several mods on Super User and AskUbuntu have agreed to something; it would be more helpful to link to such statements. And it would have been helpful if your first comment had done so, or at least stated that “several” moderators had agreed to this position, because otherwise it looks like just your unsubstantiated opinion. | |
| Feb 4, 2018 at 14:55 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @Scott, the term "copyright" alone appears 24 times in the TOS, not counting the parts that talk about content which "otherwise interferes with" it. I am definitely not going to argue about the whole TOS in the limited space of comments. It is sufficient to say that several mods on the SE network have agreed here and on AskUbuntu that download links to Hiren's Boot CD should be removed. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 22:59 | comment | added | Scott - Слава Україні | @AndreaLazzarotto: The Stack Exchange Terms of Service say “Subscriber … will not contribute any Subscriber Content that (a) infringes, violates or otherwise interferes with any copyright or trademark of another party.” OK, I presume that your statement about the nature (“illegal ripoff”) of Hiren’s Boot CD is correct; so posting the content of the CD would be against the TOS. But what about posting a link to it? What about mentioning its name and suggesting that people Google it? (IANAL) Look at the pretty rainbow: so many different shades of gray! :-) | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 22:30 | history | edited | fixer1234 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 3, 2018 at 21:03 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @fixer1234 technically, the TOS explicitly forbid posting infringing material so Hiren's boot CD recommendations are against the rules even without policy. I acknowledge what you said about the Hackintosh policy. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 21:02 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @JakeGould I totally agree on the "limited benefit", I was just underlining the kind of double standard. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 20:50 | comment | added | fixer1234 | @AndreaLazzarotto, I'm not familiar enough with the "legal" status of Hiren's. I was describing a "class" of issues, the civil breach of contract category, and "biggest" referred to quantity of questions rather than degree of issue. SE doesn't have an official position on those, but Hackintosh was a single topic with enough questions that an "official" position was taken. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 20:38 | comment | added | fixer1234 | @MartinZaske, that was kind of my point. What people should or shouldn't do is a matter of opinion and opinions are very divided among the members. Members should be cognizant of the issue and use the site's tools described in the last paragraph when they think ethical issues are involved, but the actual site guidelines are pretty limited. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 15:51 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | “Hackintosh is the biggest example, and the SE made an administrative decision to not support those” True. But funnily, it's not even the best example as macOS can nowadays be downloaded freely and legally by anyone with access to a macOS system, so installing a Hackintosh amounts to a (civil) breach of contract and not to copyright infringement. Conversely, several users here on SU and other SE sites think "it's OK" to link Hiren's Boot CD, which is an illegal ripoff of Windows XP and other commercial programs. | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 12:08 | comment | added | Martin Zaske | I gave you a +1 because of a good summary of the issues. Still I do not see how you have answered the question. Should we, or should we not? You are listing many different cases (good), but for each case you do not give your answer... | |
| Feb 3, 2018 at 4:37 | history | edited | fixer1234 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 3, 2018 at 4:14 | history | answered | fixer1234 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |