Timeline for What is with these invalid flags?
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| Aug 10, 2011 at 17:16 | comment | added | barlop | @KContreau No need to state the obvious by saying "thank you".I wouldn't want to be notified(interrupted) for something so mundane and unnecessary. Similarly perhaps with flags, maybe repeated flagging made for mundane and unnecessary notifications. It boils down to efficiency. Perhaps random should have added in the invalid flag rules "repeated flagging because xyz inefficient"! it's not personal like votes aren't, the philosophy is to ensure a smooth efficiently run quality database. I won't try >3 comments in a row incase it's considered not suitable to write all that in comment! | |
| Aug 10, 2011 at 17:11 | comment | added | barlop | @Kcontreau If a question or answer is upvoted, somebody may take it like a biscuit, encouraging, but the -real- purpose of it, is so the question comes up higher or lower on the page, and so others using the database are drawn to it. Similarly, why people don't say "thank you". It's inefficient and that's annoying for many technically minded people. Thanks can be assumed, or not even bothered about because a question/answer that isn't bad is by definition helpful since it helps the database. | |
| Aug 10, 2011 at 17:06 | comment | added | barlop | @KCotreau I will first say, I am not that familiar with flagging but I guess I understand it sufficiently for the comment.. Flagging aside. When people downvote, for example, it's not a personal thing. The thing is, I saw from your description and your love of people saying "thank you", and your desire to help people, but that's actually not the most helpful philosophy. You see, the idea is, the site is for techies, rather than idiot end users, and the most helpful thing to have, is a good database, and an efficient system. biscuit. | |
| Aug 6, 2011 at 16:37 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman | @KCotreau: "You guys seem like a high school clique to me": Read my comment on the meta question itself. We're not forming any clique against you, we are trying to behave like a community and your repeated close flagging works against that. Never take discussions like these personal, we are here to help you but we can't do this if you're trying to stand above other users. In the Stack Exchange system, this is unwanted behavior and thus should be marked invalid. It's not that the moderators are trying to be mean by denying your flags, they just want you to vote to close instead... | |
| Aug 6, 2011 at 16:32 | comment | added | William Hilsum | @Kcotreau - I try to bother the mods as little as possible (now!), Sorry if I missed a bit, I have skim-read as there is a lot here... I go by this rule... If I can do something myself e.g. vote to close/move/whatever, I do. However, in addition, if a post is VERY bad and bad for the community (e.g. discussing piracy, hacking etc.) then I will also flag for mods just in case it escapes 5 votes... Mod's volunteer - I don't want to overload them with stuff that we can do on our own! You earn the ability to close/delete yourself - have fun using it! | |
| Jul 20, 2011 at 19:43 | comment | added | slhck | @kco "you guys"? "high school clique"? Let's be grown-up here and not accuse each other with things like this. See, as others have mentioned, it's not about the logical point of *I flag this as XY, and ♦ closes it as XY later, so it can't be invalid". I completely agree with you that it sounds inconsistent. I really do. But as Shog9 said, that's not the point here. | |
| Jul 20, 2011 at 16:55 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | @KContreau: I think you're missing the point. You've cast 10 votes to close in the last month... You're allowed to cast more than that each day! The moderators are supposed to act when the community is unable or unwilling; continually asking them to act when you have the ability but are not willing to use it is... at best, rude, and at worst actively wasting their time. Users with > 10K reputation points are able to see questions with outstanding close votes so that they can review and collaborate or dispute them - by failing to vote, you prevent this collaboration and oversight. | |
| Jul 20, 2011 at 15:33 | comment | added | KCotreau | @slhck No, it is not a few downvotes that would make me leave, but the attitude here. You guys seem like a high school clique to me. It really comes off that anytime anyone questions ANYTHING here, you guys band together like mean little kids at school. I above all in life, I hate unfairness, so when I see these guys flag as invalid something that they themselves do (close the question), it strikes me as unfair...and then they defend an IDIOTIC position to the death en masse. Also, how do you explain that I made the same exact flag of a duplicate question yesterday, and it was upheld? | |
| Jul 19, 2011 at 20:17 | comment | added | slhck | @kco tbh I find it rather strange that getting two invalid flags is something that'd make you leave the site. I have three invalid flags too, two of which are also disputable cases, but so what? Does that really hurt someone's feelings? Does it matter now? Not at all. I know that you're not agreeing with all of the concepts of this community (daily rep cap, the concept of downvoting, the issue here), but after all we're just humans. I do have to agree that the flagging system isn't perfect and far from being transparent, but that's another issue. | |
| Jul 19, 2011 at 12:47 | comment | added | random Mod | What is the difference between flagging something closed (private) and voting to close (public)? Why does a user with over 3k choose the former when they have the reputation to do the latter? That seems rather inconsistent. It's like telling people not to flag or close questions while doing so behind their back. @kco | |
| Jul 19, 2011 at 4:39 | comment | added | KCotreau | If you are going to make it a badge, expect people to flag, and when you guys approve the same ones 27 times, and then the same stuff is marked invalid 3, expect people to question your judgment. Simple rule: If you close it, it was clearly valid. Logical, and won't turn people off with your moods. | |
| Jul 19, 2011 at 4:37 | comment | added | KCotreau | I appreciate that you at least tried to answer the question. To be honest though, all the invalids, yours included, did was REALLY turn me off. You ultimately closed it, so you REALLY needed to mark it as invalid? I love the concept of many things here, but in other ways, this crap makes me want to achieve my personal goals and just leave. I wonder how many other really good members have felt the same because a bunch of kids (moderators) with too much power for their own good, don't think about their inconsistent actions. | |
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