Timeline for Korean characters not allowed
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| Jan 12, 2021 at 21:24 | history | edited | CatijaStaff | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Sep 4, 2020 at 13:50 | comment | added | Mokubai Mod | @Catija and that is fine, I just wanted there to be some consideration to both sides of why we have the block vs needing to let people do stuff. I am completely happy if we want to remove the ban and hope that the spammers have found something productive to do with their time. That would literally be my best case scenario: that it is no longer needed. If you've at least started some kind of discussion about what might happen then we're cool and can see what may come. I only posted another answer so that we could gather a bit more community involvement in whether we remove the block or not. | |
| Sep 4, 2020 at 13:27 | comment | added | Catija Staff | Sorry, I was trying to get a more detailed explanation from someone that would be able to estimate the work required for what you're asking but I seem to have failed - @Mokubai I understand what you're saying and if it were possible, I'd do it in a second but, right now, the choices are between the two sides of "allow entirely" and "block entirely" - as far as I can tell. We could try blocking Korean in titles only - which is an option but if the spammers figure that out, they can get around it by writing English titles. | |
| Sep 2, 2020 at 15:43 | comment | added | Mokubai Mod | I willing to accept that this is another "can we remove remove the block yet" attempt, but I'd much rather it be a learning experience in what we can do better than simply yet another opening of the floodgates followed by immediate shuttering some months later. We have the tools to do it properly, the question is do we have the time and effort as well? If not, then are we doing it for the sake of giving one more chance or do we have an end game? Insanity is meant to be performing the same ritual and expecting a different outcome. Our opponents (spammers) are debatably insane, are we as well? | |
| Sep 2, 2020 at 15:12 | comment | added | Mokubai Mod | I'm all for allowing the content as it is a bit unfair to exclude a large part of society that may happen to use any given language, but I can't help to think that the response needs to be more nuanced than an all-or-nothing approach. Being an English speaking site we expect questions to be primarily English, but there are cases where occasional foreign characters are required. I agree with Giacomo in that we need to have a threshold of characters before a block occurs. Yes that means processing, but spammers have proven they can't be trusted even though we need to allow other languages. | |
| Sep 2, 2020 at 14:59 | comment | added | Catija Staff | @Mokubai So... yeah. The fact that there's one minimum (no weeks have zero attempts) does seem a bit odd... it could be a bot testing the block weekly... but lots of sites get foreign-language spam without it being a "spam wave" that needs an outright block on the language being posted. Charcoal tests for posts that are primarily non-English characters, so any such spam should get quickly caught and deleted by them. The fact there's spam is kinda less important than that it's deleted and if there are users who want to post content that uses Korean characters, we should allow that if possible. | |
| Sep 2, 2020 at 13:04 | comment | added | Mokubai Mod | The problem I can see with removing the block is that what could simply be "testing the waters" with a couple of minor attempts a day could quickly avalanche into a full-throttle tsunami. It's impossible to know it is safe to unblock until we do and either nothing happens or the spam wave starts again. It's Schrödinger's Spam.... just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there waiting to happen the moment we open the door to have a peek. I think whatever we do needs to be a bit smarter than just leaving the gates open. It's happened several times before and probably will again. | |
| Sep 1, 2020 at 21:22 | comment | added | Catija Staff | That's correct. It's not the full Korean character set but it seems to be enough that it catches most of the content. We can rewrite the regex matching but we can't have it check for a percentage. We do this for other languages, too, like Cyrillic. :) | |
| Sep 1, 2020 at 19:03 | comment | added | Catija Staff | That'd be super awesome but our system isn't set up to do that. It's a simple block/allow so we can't count content or anything like that. Y'all could certainly make a FR for it but I don't know that the need is high enough that we'd build it in the near future. :) | |
| Sep 1, 2020 at 13:40 | history | answered | CatijaStaff | CC BY-SA 4.0 |