Timeline for I think SU has a newbie-biting problem
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| Jan 16, 2021 at 12:17 | comment | added | Ramhound | I was in the hospital the last 3 days. I will look into the wording on my own schedule. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 20:21 | comment | added | Ramhound | @JohnNeuhaus - I will look into wording those responses differently. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 19:45 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | I do say all this in the same spirit of being frank with an equal, and in fact I largely agree with you on the judgement of the content. But that's not the only dimension, or relevant factor for community health. The delivering of that judgement (and subsequently the example it sets, and who it turns away or encourages) and the "path to redemption" (imo an understated aspect) are part and parcel. In fact, I'd argue they're actually what people have the problem with, rather than the criteria or judgement in itself. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 19:38 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | 4th instance: "This is absolutely false. It is not possible for commentary automatically submitted to be unfriendly." That's just a silly claim, of course it's possible for automatic commentary to be unfriendly. If it said "this is a bad question/answer and you should feel bad," that would pretty clearly be unfriendly. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 19:34 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | 3rd instance: "This is absolutely false." in response to "...a VTC effectively means...". I'll admit that "effectively means" is a stronger claim that could possibly be false. Accepting an implicit "to some people" makes it the same type of statement as the others, however. The inferred statement then is true, because some people do in fact take it to mean that, myself included. I'll allow it is absolutely a valid response even with that meaning in certain cases, and the argument of value is when is it valid | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 19:28 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | The 2nd instance is arguably a continuation of the first (albeit you said "incorrect" not "false" the first time.) "This is absolutely false" in response to "Closing a question is a hostile action regardless of intention in that, it will be received as such.." Thus the same rebuttal applies. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 19:25 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | Take the first one, which you referred to in the comment: "...that closing a question is not actually considered to be rude or hostile behavior", "...that opinion is incorrect", "The fact some users are taking the closure of a question to be hostile...". As you agreed, it is in fact considered rude or hostile by one or more users, so that's a.) not an opinion, and b.) correct. Further, an opinion can't be correct or incorrect. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 14:08 | comment | added | Ramhound | @Noumenon - My answer is cut and dry but I don’t agree it’s hostile. I do believe that a new user submitting commentary as an answer is a black and white problem, and that problem only has one solution, removal of that answer with commentary that explicitly explains the reason (which happens automatically with a review comment). Author isn’t new nor are you. So in my eyes I am being frank with colleagues who are equal. The fact that commentary is not personalized or considered more friendly is the fault of the SE. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 12:26 | comment | added | Noumenon | This black-and-white, "I know the truth and you are wrong", hostile in tone answer is precisely the kind of personality that would give the site a newbie biting problem. It makes the callout sound justified. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 6:02 | comment | added | Karu | In that case, I apologize. I was trying pretty hard there to not come off like a dick, which is hard to do in a conversation where you're expressing concerns about someone's behavior. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 4:06 | comment | added | Ramhound | Cordial - courteous and gracious; friendly; warm: You were polite. However, I never felt the conversation, was actually friendly or warm. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 3:59 | comment | added | Ramhound | @Karu - I didn't actually use "directly" once in my answer. I indicated that I am very particular about the words I use. I never actually made that statement in quotes. I certainly didn't use the word "control" in any revision of my answer. I used Grammarly on a few of those revisions for a reason. While you were not impolite towards me, our conversation was really only one-sided, and I was extremely guarded the entire time. So I wouldn't agree our conversation was warm and friendly. | |
| Jan 13, 2021 at 3:53 | comment | added | Karu | I was nothing but cordial to you in that chat. The degree of hostility you display towards both me, and the statement "you cannot directly control how other people perceive your actions" is breathtaking. | |
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| Jan 12, 2021 at 18:24 | comment | added | Ramhound | I indicated exactly two of the author's statements were false. The fact I believe those statements to be false is obviously my opinion. | |
| Jan 12, 2021 at 18:19 | comment | added | Ramhound | There is no other way to state that the closing of a question is not actually considered to be rude or hostile behavior other than to indicate that opinion is incorrect. The fact some users are taking the closure of a question to be hostile is a concern, but I don't have the power to do anything about that. Some of the arguments make it appear that both automatic commentary approved by SE developers and no additional commentary is being treated as hostile and rude behavior. That is at least my understanding of some of the arguments made in the author's question. | |
| Jan 12, 2021 at 18:03 | comment | added | John Neuhaus | You raise some good points, but I noticed a pattern. You said "false" to a number of statements of perception that are roughly summarized as "this is rude." Whether you intend to be rude or not, you can't dictate how an action is perceived. Regardless of the validity of your other points, this is a bad answer because you are categorically denying the existence of subjective opinions you disagree with. | |
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