Timeline for Company tag necromancy: The zombie apocalypse!
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 13:26 | comment | added | Psycogeek | Jeff said he is willing to work with the community, I would prefer that the actual problem be addressed, not the top of the hierarchy removed, and multitudes of half connected puzzel pieces tags be added to the system. meta.superuser.com/questions/3234/… Reduce the accidental creation, Require tag creation review? If what I see in there is by design :-) there are different opinions on design . | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 13:12 | comment | added | Psycogeek | @DanielBeck Now I will try and address, it has been discussed for 2 years , Yes, and I missed it, and am not willing to re-read the whole meta. YOU KNOW, (me dummy). What I have seen in my tiny time here is, the tag thing never ends. I see right here, that another one of the things discussed and delt with, comes back up again , and again. So from my perspective , it isn't working. Does that Fit into the topic, it either does, or the whole thing is just a 2 year loop. this one the other one and the other one. The tag growth will continue with more specific tags, the tag insanity with it. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 13:11 | comment | added | slhck | Note that you can only create tags with a certain reputation. Tags that are not used will automatically be pruned. 10k users also have the possibility to review newly created tags and "nuke" them before they're even broadly used. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 12:32 | comment | added | Psycogeek | With notes: I am all for having more-specific tags when the grouping , quantity and follow, and hype, and interest is at a high level like I7 I5 Ipod IPS , specific but large following. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 12:27 | comment | added | Psycogeek | @DanielBeck Ok there is one, Only 5 possible tags, leaving only some 20 billion combinations with the tags we have? I already tried to cover Subscribed and ignored. AMD only processor users can ignore INTEL, or using the other method they can try and ignore 15 different processors. Yahoo Users can ignore Google, or they can try and ignore 15 google specific tags. Photo people can try and find all the referances to photo-specific or they could just tag photo. Video people can Favorite Video and they will get everything video. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 12:18 | comment | added | Psycogeek | Adobe Microsoft Apple Linux Cisco , router Wi-fi broadband Paint photo , Jpeg TCP/IP Camera Iphone Flash. 15 tags endless combinations. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 12:14 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
Because specific tags are better than nonspecific tags. They are more descriptive. They can be subscribed to, favorited, and ignored. They aren't meta tags, and provide enough information to stand alone. They aren't (as easily) ambiguous. They work for companies that manage to make multiple, similar products. They can be version specific (e.g. osx-lion for the most recent release of osx). They only take up one of the five possible tag "slots" a question has.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 12:12 | comment | added | Psycogeek | @DanielBeck Asus Arock Gigabyte MSI Intel AMD, Motherboard server USB Audio Video , HD SSD Monitor keyboard scanner . 15 tags probably around 100 combinations . | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:59 | comment | added | Psycogeek | Ok google example, WHY?? why have Google-apps google-docs etc. when with simple tags docs. Apps, calendar. e-mail, I can combine that with Google, Yahoo, Apple, Mobile , skype , Sync , Word , Voice and form 10 times as many combinations? | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:54 | comment | added | Psycogeek | @DanielBeck Great, I understand that. So we have simple tags Server Processor Graphics Motherboard, then we have Intel and Asus and Dell, and we have Laptop Desktop. And from Just those tag items a person can assemble a tag. take 30 product types, 30 Brands , 15 styles, forms some 10,000 different tags. with 75 total tags. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:39 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
Also, to avoid confusion: please not that this topic is about getting rid of all the manufacturers. I just didn't know more than those I added in the question. Feel free to suggest others. I know of only one on-topic exception, and that is vmware, simply because they're, AFAICT, synonymous with their line of virtualization products. We need to check google for off topic questions, but I think e.g. google-chrome, chromium, google-chrome-os, gmail, google-apps, google-docs, google-calendar and google-voice are capable of standing alone.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:33 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
We have intel-core-i7, intel-pentium and a whole lot of other, similar tags, that are all way more specific than intel for that. The company also makes server processors, graphics chips, main boards, a C compiler, network cards, and a whole lot of other products. intel tells you nothing. It's unspecific, similar to software and hardware tags, which are just as unsuitable as the only tag (i.e. a meta tag). I read your comments, and I read your post, but I see nothing that hasn't been discussed, voted on and dismissed by the community before.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:26 | comment | added | Psycogeek | @DanielBeck Why bother, you are not reading it, and your telling me to do things I have already done. Sure provide specifics to you, so you can trash them one at a time. great discussion. Wouldnt it be better if we fix the real problems which isnt 30 company tags, but 1500 things that fall on both ends of wasted tags? The 1500 tags that are repeats? It isnt 10 tags and renames and burniates a day, then 10 more made the next day. Tags made by accident, and no real tag control , when a Tag "Zebra" and "mother" get created. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11 | comment | added | Psycogeek | One perspective is that nobody needs to tag EX: ASUS And Laptop. Ok so lets get rid of ASUS? WHY? so they can add 80 tags for various Asus laptops? So they ignore the company and just Generic out Laptop? Then toss out INTEL, so they cant say ASUS INTEL LAPTOP. Why? so they can substitute the 20 different names for a Intel processor? YES and NO. If there are 10 different tags for Intel processors, then Core 2 or I7 ASUS I7 LAPTOP. They dont need ASUS it is an I7 LAPTOP . No it is an ASUS laptop and asus laptop owners have a good idea what it is. Toshiba owners not? | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
Please start @ addressing your comments (e.g. @DanielBeck) so the users you discuss with get notified about it.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 11:06 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
You don't need a tag for brands with products not popular enough to receive their own tag (which is what regularly happens: see dell-inspiron and thinkpad). They are covered by the regular search function. If they're not popular enough to get a product tag, there's little content about it on this site anyway. // Sure, your hypothetical brand doesn't sell anything else but laptops, but how realistic is that? Please provide real companies from the list above as example where you think the tag helps.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 10:48 | comment | added | Psycogeek | The other end of the usable tags for products, is when a company name has so little interest or following, or even ownership, that even the questioners would not use it to set thier question. They got a Joystick, they dont expect anyone to know what a Mecao Joystick is, and they dont expect or care that a Mecao tag exists. They would be happy to just get answers about Joystick | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 10:39 | comment | added | Psycogeek | If I draw a "flow chart" and put main headers at the top, for these "products" it would be company name First, then split mouse products, keyboard products, monitor products , split again , and particular models of those products. If there is a limit to the number of tags , one END would be somewhere at the lower part of this flow chart where it ends up with way to many tags. And nobody being that specific about following it. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:44 | comment | added | Psycogeek | No diaglo does not :-) your making that up :-) I just told you there is only 67 interest total in digalo. A diaglo owner might be very happy to follow the entire digalo tag, because that is the only way to follow it. An apple user might follow all of apple or only the specific product they own. Dont put on digalo what exists for apple. The pattern is it ENDs somewhere. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:32 | comment | added | Psycogeek | Lets take the Razor line. Person has a razor, we can define for them that Razer is not a definable item, they have the same 500 products made in china as everyone else :-) Do we force a Razer interest to "its just a mouse" , "its just a keyboard" it is just a line of products? Remove the razer tag , and how do they find news questions and answers about Thier interest the razer something? Define all 500 products under a seperate tag? NO. Give them a Razer tag, they can tag it to mouse and key and whatever and happy razer Owners can follow razer .. BUT somewhere it ends. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:24 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
The problem is that Diaglo also runs an online software store and manufactures printers, keyboards, TFT screens and desktop computers. See my other answer, and the comments to this question. Both Razer and Apple (which are unusually focused companies) have a very wide range of products that makes the company tags no more useful than software or hardware would be. Also, since there's likely a Phildo tag for the line of mobile computers, few people actually tag Diaglo, but prefer the more specific tag. Which is exactly what happens with apple, osx, mac, etc.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:18 | comment | added | Psycogeek | Person owns a Diaglo laptop it is a phildo model 8757, interest in 8757 1 , interest in phildo 4 interest in Diaglo 67 , interest in Laptop 15,000 . What do they pick? Digalo laptops have many similarities, thier expertice flows across all Digalo laptops, but they do not understand Apple laptops, what do they pick? Diaglo. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:16 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod |
As to why companies are not a useful separation, please see my answer in the linked topic. They are just too broad to be useful. Kind of like tagging half the topics on this site with software.
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| Jan 23, 2012 at 9:10 | comment | added | Psycogeek | In other seperations for the purpose of organisation, It might be company, it might be products, it might be company + product, it is not ALWAYS anything. If there was a pattern, it would be what people set as an area of interest. What is followable as an area of interest. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 8:44 | comment | added | Psycogeek | These "forums" seperate out these areas of interest using a folder sub folder type of plan. here to maintain an area of interest there is following a specific tag. The tag chosen to follow might indeed include a specific product(s) or just flat out attempt to follow the whole companies products. Products they own , understand and are interested in. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 8:09 | comment | added | Psycogeek | It obviously demonstrates that there is no magic cure, in reality it is not even the problem to begin with. There are forums across the web that do seperate out Major brand items and stop. There are forums that will keep breaking down the Brands and adding brands till they run out of seperation space. They create a balance, a balance that has certian companies splattered all over it, and others left out completly. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 8:01 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | -1 You apparently don't know the difference between companies and products. While the former are just too broad to be useful, the latter are important in organizing questions on our site. | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 7:22 | comment | added | slhck | > All experts can easily answer questions about all software items reguardless of brand. -- Are you serious about this? | |
| Jan 23, 2012 at 7:19 | comment | added | slhck | -1 for removing OS specific tags, really? I for example don't need any Windows tagged question because I don't know anything about it. Your premise is wrong. | |
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