Timeline for Problems with Problem in title
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| Mar 20, 2017 at 10:32 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.stackexchange.com/ with https://meta.stackexchange.com/
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| Apr 23, 2014 at 13:35 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
Fixup of bad MSO links to MSE links migration
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| Apr 23, 2014 at 9:11 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
Migration of MSO links to MSE links
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| S Feb 20, 2012 at 20:37 | history | notice removed | CommunityBot | ||
| S Feb 20, 2012 at 20:37 | history | unlocked | CommunityBot | ||
| S Feb 13, 2012 at 19:59 | history | notice added | nhinkleMod | Content dispute | |
| S Feb 13, 2012 at 19:59 | history | locked | nhinkleMod | ||
| Feb 13, 2012 at 17:29 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman | Divide 1700 by the amount of question on Super User, now divide 1 by 1700 too; multiply both percents and you get the amount of questions that could have good titles. It just doesn't make sense making a change in the system just for that, at least for Super User; I don't really care about Stack Overflow at the moment given that there are probably tons of other things that can be fixed there. I've always thought about upping my SO reputation; but I don't feel like I could be a daily visitor there, at least for now until I get to be a better programmer... | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 17:15 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | @TomWijsman That's why I posted an example using PSR, which is also relevant for this site. Where SO has names of mathematical/computer science topics that contain problem (Halting Problem etc.), we have verbatim inclusion of error messages (like the example posted by slhck in his MSO topic). So while generally the filter will prevent bad question titles, it will also prevent good titles, as evidenced by these examples. I think that's one of the motivations of slhck's feature request: let users who know what they're doing fix it, like inserting images to new users' topics. | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 17:04 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman | @DanielBeck: That's Stack Overflow, note that we are on the Meta of Super User. | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 16:59 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | @TomWijsman I suggest you tell this to the moderators of SO, as they're unaware of this. Check e.g. SO topics 7637714, 7684018, 8423947, 8203395. Very legitimate uses of this term. For an example using Problem Step Recorder, see SO question 8512730, also edited by a diamond moderator. | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 15:19 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman | @slhck: You do need to come up with a better tittle, not introduce useless Unicode characters. Even for your "Problem Step Recorder" it wasn't necessary and the question does have a more useful title now while not breaking the ability to search for that. For the same reason we don't place the full "Microsoft Office Word" in a title which has an equal amount of characters. Stop working around a filter that works, because you can get better titles... Working around that filter, is 99.9% going to introduce bad titles. | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 15:15 | comment | added | slhck | Yes, absolutely get your point. I believe you should only use the workaround if the title was good before. That's all. If you can find a better one, so be it, but at least if a post's body needs fixing, you don't need to come up with a new title. @tom | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 15:06 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman |
So, I really don't care about that one question (which has a better title now anyway) if all the 700 - 1000 other questions a year don't have a good title. Consider that this filter might be way more effective than other filters that are currently in place, I don't mind this question in the sea of 1400 other question that have been posted with a problem title. Working around that filter, is 99.9% going to introduce bad titles.
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| Feb 13, 2012 at 10:40 | comment | added | slhck | We are just talking about one, namely the "Problem Step Recorder". You are absolutely right in the sense that probably 99% of all posts have crappy titles. This one though had an already good title. I wouldn't encourage keeping a "problem"-atic title under any circumstances. Only if it was an already good one before. @tom | |
| Feb 13, 2012 at 10:10 | vote | accept | Oliver Salzburg | ||
| Feb 13, 2012 at 2:32 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman |
@slhck: Exactly those 113 upvotes means that that ton of people simply won't understand. If you have countless good examples, why can't you come up with some (for Super User at least)? Really, I'm yet to see a convincing example (for Super User at least) because none of them have been useful so far and I expect none to will be now or in the future. Please note that on other sites where problem is an useful word, this filter is not in place...
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| Feb 12, 2012 at 23:51 | history | edited | slhck | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
added 308 characters in body
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| Feb 12, 2012 at 23:43 | comment | added | slhck |
FWIW, > you have a ton of people disagree – where, exactly? The [feature-request] has 113 upvotes and 3 downvotes. Of course I know that my view won't change. That's the whole point of being consistent. I also don't hate censorship "without convincing reason". I have plenty of convincing reasons already, and they've been supported by a majority of the audience on MSO as well. I perfectly understand why the filter is there, and for those cases, I encourage not using "problem" as a word, but there are countless good examples of where it should not be put into place.
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| Feb 12, 2012 at 23:40 | history | undeleted | slhck | ||
| Feb 10, 2012 at 4:55 | history | deleted | slhck | ||
| Feb 10, 2012 at 0:08 | comment | added | Tamara Wijsman | The noise / signal rate on that word in a title is high, see my answer why this is so. Stack Exchange also somewhat stands behind this point of view, and I can really tell you that even though you have a ton of people disagree your view will not change. It's easy to hate censorship without any convincing reasoning. It's hard to actually listen and see why the filter is there, I'm yet to see an use case of problem. Working around the filter is just going to add more noise into the system. Thank you for listing the workarounds, gave them more meaningful titles... | |
| Feb 9, 2012 at 23:52 | comment | added | iglvzx | thesaurus.com/browse/problem | |
| Feb 9, 2012 at 23:10 | comment | added | iglvzx |
There is also a pesky filter with the word your.
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| Feb 9, 2012 at 22:17 | comment | added | slhck | In terms of SEO, the body could still carry the essential keywords, you're right. It's not always that easy to fix though. | |
| Feb 9, 2012 at 22:15 | comment | added | Oliver Salzburg | @nhinkle Wouldn't an abbreviation also hurt SEO as it moves the actual keyword into a less meaningful place (given that the question title is a h1)? | |
| Feb 9, 2012 at 22:08 | comment | added | nhinkle Mod | I would not condone doing this - it defeats the purpose if you're not putting the right word in the title. Put an abbreviation, and just explain it in the post. It sucks, but that's how it is. Breaking search and SEO is not a good idea. | |
| Feb 9, 2012 at 21:56 | history | answered | slhck | CC BY-SA 3.0 |