Timeline for Terminology issue of computer related questions
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| Jul 22, 2010 at 18:01 | history | migrated | from meta.stackexchange.com (revisions) | ||
| Feb 16, 2010 at 13:28 | comment | added | ldigas | @Pollyanna - +1 . You put up a fair fight ;-) Peace ? | |
| Feb 16, 2010 at 13:21 | comment | added | ldigas | cause, nowadays, i can't see the difference between gmail/zoho and livespace in view of implementation towards the user. ... another example: amazon s3 ? | |
| Feb 16, 2010 at 13:20 | comment | added | ldigas | @Gnoupi - "locally" -> ah, in that case we can come to an accord'. of course i understood what polyanna was talking about but decided to play stupid for now, waiting for the moment when someone will finaly rectify that. but, still ... if i may add ... 20 years ago that was an easy distinction to make. nowadays, not so. we don't allow gmail/fb/twit. but we do allow google docs/zoho/livespace/there are numerous examples which can bring the rule down. should we explicitly state in the faq that this site is about locally installed software, and also explicitly disallow services mentioned here ? | |
| Feb 16, 2010 at 8:55 | comment | added | Gnoupi | @Idigas - I think your point of view is clear, but even if "software" includes web services like gmail, facebook and else, the objective is to limit to software "that can be installed on your computer". Typical example: "I want to use offline gmail, but Gears fails to install on my computer, what can I do?". This is linked to gmail, but relative to something you actually install on your computer. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 20:32 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @idigas - Unfortunately I've made myself as clear as I can. If you do not understand my point, then there is little reason to attempt to explain it another way. Sorry I can't be more helpful. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 19:48 | comment | added | ldigas | @Pollyanna's 3rd comment - In trying to understand what you are trying to say; are you saying that software is software only if it is run locally and not if it is run remotely, or in the cloud. And that it also stops being software if watched from a client point of view (to whom it represents a "service" provided by a server side representative) instead of the server-side ? | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 19:40 | comment | added | ldigas | believe the definition is mostly agreed upon) the definition of: software, hardware, computer, cloud computing maybe. As to the analogy, I admit I still don't understand it. Nor the pizza place ... | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 19:40 | comment | added | ldigas | @Pollyanna's 1st comment - Before we go any further with this. 1st - I never said "Gmail and facebook are computers". I do not believe that I even said anything remotely close to that, from which that can be misinterpreted, but I could be wrong, that being dependent on the reader. Also, as is implied, I never stated that software should run on my computer (or even locally) to be software per se. I never mentioned anything related to where it is executed, since that being irrelevant. Please, check on Wikipedia (or anywhere else really - I | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 18:52 | comment | added | Pollyanna | Similarly, superuser is a forum for computer questions. Just because you use a computer to access the GMail service does not mean that Superuser is the best place to ask, "How do I get GMail to delete messages that include attachments over 10k in size?" It's not computer related. It's GMail related. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 18:50 | comment | added | Pollyanna | Perhaps the analogy is better if we choose a pizza place with a drive through. You never leave your car when you pick up the pizza, and further the pizza place also uses cars of their own to deliver pizzas to customers. They also get all their raw materials through vehicles. The employees take cars to work so they can do their job. The building was built in large part with help from vehicles. Yet if you went to an automotive forum and asked them, "Why won't ABC Pizza cut my pizza into 128 slices?" you would get blank stares. It's not the right forum. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 18:46 | comment | added | Pollyanna | GMail and facebook are not computers. They run on computers, and you use a computer to access them, but they are not computers. You do not run them on your computer, so it's not software. Just because you use a keyboard, CPU, browser, ISP to use their service does not mean that questions about them are related to computers. Questions about them are related to their specific service. The analogy I made in the beginning should be very clear - even though you use a car to get to walmart, and you buy product, and then transport it home in your car, questions about walmart are not car related. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:39 | comment | added | ldigas | Maybe better example of a web browser ... I can make a web browser on my computer a "service", if I use it and provide it to a customer for recompensation with a goal to satisfy his need for it (internet caffees), ... but it is still software and computer related. Even if I "box it" into a "kiosk stand". | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:31 | comment | added | ldigas | related. I can make Notepad on my computer a "service", if I use it and provide it to a customer for recompensation with a goal to satisfy his need for it, ... but it is still software and computer related. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:30 | comment | added | ldigas | (just now saw that you changed the answer in the meantime): No, actually, I wasn't aiming into differentiating reasons into finer degrees but just as I stated, into a language issue of the current differentiation. As to the services ... it has nothing to do with what I said. They are services to the customer (from a sociology and political point of view). It has nothing to do with software (which is a technological point of view). The fact that they are services, does not cancel the fact that they are software/computer | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:25 | comment | added | ldigas | I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The first sentence below the grey part makes no sense to me. As to the second ... how is it not computer related (not trying to provoke, but honestly asking) ? What is it related to then ? It certanly isn't related to growing wheat. It may not be related to offline computer usage, but it is related to computers. And to software, as that is what it is. Also, having trouble understanding what did you mean under "computer questions". | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:21 | comment | added | Pollyanna | Of course all this is simply splitting hairs. The real "feature request" here is to differentiate close reasons into finer degrees so that newbies and nitpickers feel better about their question being closed. | |
| Feb 15, 2010 at 17:18 | history | answered | Pollyanna | CC BY-SA 2.5 |