Timeline for I genuinely don't understand why this question was deleted when I asked for it to be re-opened?
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| Feb 27 at 2:45 | comment | added | gparyani | To be clear, my main concern has nothing to do with whether the question should be closed or deleted. It's just that in my view, there appear to be two factions on whether the post should stay, which may lead to unnecessary drama on the site. | |
| Feb 27 at 2:43 | comment | added | Ben | @gparyani Speaking personally, I'm not that concerned by whether the delete votes were all recent or were more spread out. My edit to put it in the review queue was not all that significant (I thought of it as merely explicitly stating intentions I had thought were clear anyway), so if someone thought it was delete-worthy back in 2019, it's not unfair to accept those as judgements of the current version too. My concern in posting to meta was to figure out whether I had got unlucky with 3 very strict reviewers or whether I need to change how I think about questions to meet community standards. | |
| Feb 27 at 1:15 | comment | added | gparyani | @Ramhound The negative score requirement only exists for answers. For questions, there is no score requirement once 48 hours pass after closure (and the required number of delete votes increases with higher score). The only thing that requires a negative score is for 20k+ users to be able to vote to delete questions within 48 hours of closure, which requires a score of -3 or lower - however, this requirement goes away once 48 hours pass after closure. Thus, it could have gotten its first delete vote two days after getting closed in '19 | |
| Feb 27 at 0:51 | comment | added | Ramhound | @gparyani - Question wasn’t even eligible to be deleted until Feb 20th based on my analysis. It wasn’t until the single downvote was issue. | |
| Feb 26 at 23:07 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 If what you've been trying to say all this time is that the information I'm seeking is too complicated for an SU answer rather than too subjective, then your stance makes a lot more sense to me (that's not what "opinion-based" means, but never mind). To my mind, though, that is in itself useful information that could have gone in an answer, rather then a reason to close the question. | |
| Feb 26 at 19:24 | answer | added | music2myear | timeline score: 3 | |
| Feb 26 at 19:15 | comment | added | music2myear |
To add to @Giacomo1968's points, what about the arrangement of components inside the case? What about the ways air will be forced around the inside of the case based on the specific details of the interior of the case and how does this relate to the components that generate more heat? How often is the case cleaned and how? There are a myriad of details that may be able to be listed, but the basic answer for case cooling outside of exceptionally specialized setups is "install enough fans that the stuff inside stays happy", and the specialized info OP wants is simply too much for SU to handle.
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| Feb 26 at 18:41 | comment | added | bertieb | @Giacomo1968 thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense- we used to have "too broad" as a close reason which would have been useful here. I'm not sure this isn't answerable -- maybe via making some assumptions or getting some clarifications from OP -- but at least I understand where your perspective is now, cheers :) | |
| Feb 26 at 18:27 | comment | added | bertieb | @Giacomo1968 It's not just Ben here, I don't follow your line of thought on improving airflow being opinion-based. Choices of fan configuration benefit or hinder airflow; that there are many configurations some slightly better than others isn't a matter of opinion (right?). You might think that configuration X is not a substantial improvement over configuration Y, but it's fine to state that (eg) "the difference is 0.4%", or "the difference isn't clear due to complex interacting factors"; neither are opinions but both let someone form an opinion on it | |
| Feb 26 at 18:07 | comment | added | gparyani | Continuing, what I'm trying to get on to is that if it's the latter case (majority of delete votes came in after the edit), then that's a potential sign of issues within the community, if they believe that such posts should be deleted while you as a mod don't think they should be. | |
| Feb 26 at 18:05 | comment | added | gparyani | @JourneymanGeek I'd say the whole game changes if the first two votes were really old and cast long before the current edit, vs. if a majority came in after the recent bump. In the former case, only a single voter reviewed the current state of the question and decided it was delete-worthy; i.e., it was effectively a unilateral decision by the one user to delete the edited question, backed by old delete votes from the earlier, (possibly) more delete-worthy revision, which based on your undeleting the post, are in your view no longer correct. | |
| Feb 26 at 17:59 | comment | added | gparyani | @Ramhound Normal users cannot see when individual delete votes were cast. | |
| Feb 26 at 15:21 | comment | added | Ramhound | @gparyani - Just check yourself here | |
| Feb 26 at 8:05 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | I mean, I could, but IMO there's no real practical use of it for anyone. An undeletion is a quick way, in addition to the meta post for the community to close and undelete. | |
| Feb 26 at 3:04 | comment | added | gparyani | @JourneymanGeek Once you're back on a reliable connection, are you able to tell when the delete votes were cast? Were they all cast very recently, or were there two pending votes that were years old and then the final one got cast last week? | |
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| Feb 25 at 7:31 | history | edited | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 24 at 4:53 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | I think the deletion was a little harsh, and have undeleted it. I don't have great internet access right now so can't really review it for the time being for a reopen but I'll take a look as soon as I can. | |
| Feb 22 at 1:12 | comment | added | Ben | @galacticninja Good suggestion, done | |
| Feb 22 at 1:08 | history | edited | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 22 at 0:54 | comment | added | galacticninja | Can anyone edit this post and add a screenshot of the question in question? Users with less than 10K rep cannot view deleted posts. | |
| Feb 21 at 22:32 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Feb 21 at 22:24 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 I'm trying to understand how to ask a question that you wouldn't close, but you're not explaining anything. You're just shouting "that's all opinions" and not directly responding to anything. When I look at superuser.com/help/dont-ask) I'm asking a "practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face", my motivation is “I would like others to explain ______ to me”, it's not any of the sample types of subjective question (like "What’s your favorite ______?"), even if it was I'm trying for all of the properties of "constructive" questions. | |
| Feb 21 at 21:40 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 I still don't understand your definition of opinion vs fact then. "Fans directly adjacent blowing in opposite directions creates a cyclic airflow that pulls hot air back into the case, making them have less effective cooling" is making a factual claim about how cooling systems work; you could literally measure that in a range of scenarios to try to find out whether it's a true claim. How to "factor in the myriad of variables that can come into play" is exactly what I'm asking (I described that I believe I know some of the variables, just not how to factor them in together). | |
| Feb 21 at 21:13 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 The things I was calling principles are ideas like "fans directly adjacent blowing in opposite directions creates a cyclic airflow that pulls hot air back into the case, making them have less effective cooling". Again to me, that's a statement of fact (it may be a wrong statement, but again; that's why I'm asking). Researching PC cooling systems finds lots of opinion; that's exactly why I wanted to ask about it on a site that specifically doesn't allow opinions as the basis for answers. I want facts about cooling systems, not opinions about whether I need more cooling. | |
| Feb 21 at 21:00 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 Re "How the heck is the second part of this not opinion based?" I'm not sure what the "second part" you're referring to is. The second sentence in the quote you're replying to is "Rather I'm asking whether there is a way of configuring more fans that would provide more cooling", again trying to focus on the question about how to increase the airflow/cooling, and away from anyone's opinion about whether I should do it. | |
| Feb 21 at 20:57 | comment | added | Ben | @Giacomo1968 I was asking if there is a way of adding more fans to the system that will increase the airflow/cooling. Isn't that an objective engineering question? I don't see the opinion. "Maybe it's a good idea? Maybe it's a bad idea? Maybe it's ultimately a was of time money and effort?" These are all opinion-based questions that you are asking, and I was extremely clear that that's not what I was seeking answers for. | |
| Feb 21 at 13:19 | comment | added | Ramhound | I can’t really explain why it was deleted. I only pointed out the single answer it received was low quality. 10K views after 4 years and 9 months is extremely low. Furthermore, after 10k views, it only received 3 votes. Your edit put it in the queue to be reviewed. | |
| Feb 21 at 13:16 | comment | added | Ben | @Ramhound I've been far more active for far longer on Stack Overflow, a site with far more traffic than Super User, and I have very few posts with 10k views there. It seemed noteworthy to me. Especially closed posts don't normally get a lot of traffic. And sure, it's obviously not a great question or some of those 10k visits would have upvoted (though it was closed almost all of that time with no great answer, so it's not useful to anyone to elicit an upvote). But is it out of scope? Is the appropriate response to a post like that showing up in the reopen review queue to delete it? | |
| Feb 21 at 12:41 | comment | added | Ramhound | 5 years and it received two upvotes. The only answer is a stop sign answer to a YouTube video. In 5 years it was only viewed 10k times. | |
| Feb 21 at 3:38 | history | asked | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |