Timeline for Questions dealing with Hacking
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| Mar 20, 2017 at 10:18 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| May 10, 2012 at 20:50 | history | unlocked | CommunityBot | ||
| May 10, 2012 at 20:50 | history | notice removed | CommunityBot | ||
| May 9, 2012 at 22:35 | vote | accept | Bon Gart | ||
| May 9, 2012 at 20:44 | history | notice added | nhinkleMod | Comments only | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:44 | history | locked | nhinkleMod | ||
| May 9, 2012 at 20:35 | comment | added | Breakthrough | @BonGart I'm tired of typing responses to your nonsensical arguments. Maybe you need a little reading material... Better call those professionals to secure your network from everyone who can afford that book (and the hundreds of thousands like it). And I asked you if SU was the only place because last I checked, most English dictionaries have completely different definitions for the words sharing and promoting. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:22 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @Brakthrough if there is no concept of "the only place" on the internet, why did you ask me if I thought SU was "the only place" this information would be found? Yes, there is a difference between sharing and promoting. Promoting would be posting the information AGAIN so that it would show up more easily in a Google Search than it would before the post. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:19 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @Danielbeck Yes it can be a real problem if bad guys get the information and abuse it, and there is something that can be done about that. You don't make it easier to find. As far as the good guys needing better protection, there are "professionals" who can be brought in to better secure a network. There is a difference between asking how to best secure a network, and asking how to hack a network. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:16 | answer | added | slhck | timeline score: 8 | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:14 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | @BonGart Have you looked at your question recently? Your last paragraph? You're right, implying might be too weak... // You just noticed that valuable information can be used in different ways. Yes, it can be a real problem if the bad guys get the information and abuse it. There's nothing you can do about that though; they will get it (just because it's worth the effort to search). So we better make sure that the good guys also get the same information and tools to properly protect themselves and others. There's a reason e.g. wifi routers mostly ship with good default passwords now. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:08 | comment | added | Breakthrough | @BonGart there's an explicit difference between sharing information and promoting it's use. If I posted a guide on how to break a type of encryption, and explicitly state that it should only be used to recover files that you own, am I promoting that activity? Are people all of the sudden going to go find encrypted files to break just to try it? No. The information is there for the people who need it. And last I checked, on the internet, there is no concept of "the only place" on the internet, especially since it's trivial to make a copy of something digitally. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:05 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @DanielBeck I'm not implying that at all. What I'm saying is that once the question and answer is there, now ANYONE who wants to hack, for whatever purpose they have, has one more easy reference to the information. Sure, that guy may not want to hack his neighbor. What about the person who finds that question in a Google search because of SU's ranks? By permitting and answering questions like that, you are promoting that activity. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 20:03 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @breakthrough No I do not think that Superuser is the only place on the internet to find out how to hack. I think it does not have to be ANOTHER place to find out how to hack. Before you say anything else, do you understand the difference between being the only place and being just another place? | |
| May 9, 2012 at 19:59 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | What's your point @BonGart? If he wrote "my other system", he'd be in the clear as far as I'm concerned. If he wrote "I think my neighbor steals my wifi", it'd be different. As the topic is right now, you don't know either way. You're implying we're tolerating questions asking for assistance in breaking the law, and that's just BS. While I also assume the user is planning something illegal, he doesn't state it, and there's not enough information in the question to be sure. As long as the tools he'd use have a legitimate use case, and if the question does not imply illegal use, it's OK. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 19:51 | comment | added | Breakthrough | @BonGart I don't understand your point. Do you really think Super User is the only place on the internet to find out how to hack things? If someone really wanted to find out how to do something, they could. We should take questions at face value, and leave each question (as well as the users on Stack Exchange) "innocent until proven guilty", so to speak. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 19:50 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @breakthrough The repressing information argument works when applied to your kids wanting to try drugs... let them try the drugs with you else they will get them somewhere outside your control. However, it doesn't work out here with this kind of information. You are not repressing the information. You are not seeking it out and keeping people from finding it by removing it. You are simply not PROMOTING it. There is a vast difference. How do you ensure he is only going to use the information on his own system? Simple. By not giving him the information. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 19:48 | comment | added | Bon Gart | @DanielBeck Yes, you can hack your own system all you want. You can also lie to others to make them believe you want to hack your own system, in order to learn how to hack into a neighbor's system. There is no way to know the difference. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 19:44 | comment | added | Breakthrough | Repressing information is far more dangerous than free information. We want to educate people - even if it can be used for good and bad actions alike. It's far better to bring the information to public light, rather than keep it in the dark, so it can be used unknowingly against the public. So long as the intentions are not malicious, I see no problem with any question regarding hacking. How else does one ensure their own system is secure (as @DanielBeck mentions above)? | |
| May 9, 2012 at 18:01 | comment | added | Daniel Beck Mod | You fail to provide any evidence that what the user wants to do is illegal in either the user's or SE's jurisdiction. Tom's question about privileges to do this (IIUC, whether it's the user's own machine) is unanswered. AFAIK, in the US, I can hack into my own systems as much as I want. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 17:51 | history | edited | Bon Gart | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 9, 2012 at 17:08 | vote | accept | Bon Gart | ||
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| May 9, 2012 at 17:07 | answer | added | Sathyajith BhatMod | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 9, 2012 at 16:33 | comment | added | Bon Gart | Ok then. That settles that. @Sathya turn that into an answer and it's yours. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 16:26 | comment | added | Sathyajith Bhat Mod | @BonGart that's mentioned in Legal/TOS | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:40 | comment | added | Bon Gart | I totally get it that you can't have everything in the FAQ... but is nothing in the FAQ dealing with things that would be considered illegal. That's kind of a big loophole to leave exposed, even after it's been noticed. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:36 | comment | added | slhck | Correct, but that's also the case for Hackintosh and circumventing software license restrictions, pirating, et cetera. It's not mentioned in the FAQ but established anyway, so you can direct people to Meta questions covering those topics if they're unsure about why the question was closed. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:33 | comment | added | Bon Gart | But someone asking for instructions on how to hack their own WiFi network and one of the computers on that network, is asking a question regarding computer hardware, computer software, and a home network... nothing off topic. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:32 | comment | added | slhck | What I meant to say is, these are off topic as far as I recall, but it's not explicitly mentioned because we deal with them on a case by case basis. Community consensus seems to be that we don't encourage hacking. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:30 | comment | added | Bon Gart | So, the SU stance is that there is no stance... if people want to answer them and provide instructions, then can... even if those instructions involve steps that could allow someone to compromise their neighbor's secure wireless network? Or can those instructions only be provided on MSU? | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:28 | comment | added | slhck | We can't have everything in the FAQ but the community essentially deals with those questions pretty fast. We do have questions covering the on-topicness of hacking on MSU though. | |
| May 9, 2012 at 15:24 | history | asked | Bon Gart | CC BY-SA 3.0 |